Quoted from Unfamiliar

Wave, how did you go from defending 660 news to tearing apart one of the good things the station has going for it? Sounds to me like you are an amateur trying to defend your own on-air presentation.

Sounds to me like you don't recognize sarcasm when you read it.

"The only time most of them listen/watch the news is when they are on air because you can tell they have no idea about what they are talking about...none...they are just trying to read words off a screen and doing it poorly. They would fail a grade 9 current events test miserably.

And management doesn't give a crap...they must be making money."
(quote from Paddyboy)

none of us believe for one second you're not/were in the biz. you appear to have a very large ax to grind.

Quoted from radiofayce

"The only time most of them listen/watch the news is when they are on air because you can tell they have no idea about what they are talking about...none...they are just trying to read words off a screen and doing it poorly. They would fail a grade 9 current events test miserably.

And management doesn't give a crap...they must be making money."
(quote from Paddyboy)

none of us believe for one second you're not/were in the biz. you appear to have a very large ax to grind.

believe what you will. I have never set foot in a radio station/tv station since a Saturday visit to CFCN as a child in 1963. My voice has never been on an airwave and I've never been in a studio or sold ads. Never been in the biz...period.

My axe is that a station would let such substandard crap on the air and wingnuts like you attack me for thinking that way.

Quoted from paddyboyy

believe what you will. I have never set foot in a radio station/tv station since a Saturday visit to CFCN as a child in 1963. My voice has never been on an airwave and I've never been in a studio or sold ads. Never been in the biz...period.

My axe is that a station would let such substandard crap on the air and wingnuts like you attack me for thinking that way.

So perhaps, if you have never been "in the biz" then you have absolutely no right to be so critical of people who are. You would have absolutely no understanding of the dedication and hard work required, nor of the often unrealistic timelines reporters and writers battle against.

Nor would you understand, as the majority of us do, that anchors at 660 News have many more challenging factors working against them, than the average anchor does. For example, the length of time they are on air is much greater, compared to the brief 3 minute newscasts featured on QR77.

I’m guessing the ‘wingnuts’ attack you, because your comments are unnecessarily mean and crude, and yet you have zero understanding of the industry.

In short… perhaps it’s time for you to hang up your hat and call it a day.
I doubt anyone on this board appreciates your posts.

As a listener, what goes on behind the scenes means nothing. It's what goes out over the air I care about.  
If there is all kinds of dedication and hard work in the back but crap goes out the front, it seems like somebody is wasting their time on something.

I didn't realize this board was just for those in the industry to perpetuate the crap on the radio these days. If the owners of the board want to ban me for my anti-crap comments, so be it.
If you don't appreciate someone telling it like they see it, too damn bad.

If they stop putting rank amateurs on the air who don't know how to pronounce most words, I won't bitch about the poor quality of the on-air product and I might listen more.

There ARE some very good ones there...John Clark, Maryanne Jeremy, Ted Henley, David Tait and some others BUT too often the good ones are paired with jr. high students. I switch the station instantly. That's just a fact.
Take it or leave it.

Quoted from JimDandy

So perhaps, if you have never been "in the biz" then you have absolutely no right to be so critical of people who are. You would have absolutely no understanding of the dedication and hard work required, nor of the often unrealistic timelines reporters and writers battle against.

Nor would you understand, as the majority of us do, that anchors at 660 News have many more challenging factors working against them, than the average anchor does. For example, the length of time they are on air is much greater, compared to the brief 3 minute newscasts featured on QR77.

I’m guessing the ‘wingnuts’ attack you, because your comments are unnecessarily mean and crude, and yet you have zero understanding of the industry.

In short… perhaps it’s time for you to hang up your hat and call it a day.
I doubt anyone on this board appreciates your posts.

Isn't it the listeners who we're doing this for?  If they're not happy with the product then shouldn't that be a sign to buck up and take responsibility?  I appreciate every listeners comments good or bad.  It's how you deal with them that makes you successful or not.

Now don't get me wrong I agree 660 has tough deadlines and a crazy clock but at the same time stress-management needs to be exercised.  As I've said before, it's up to managerial types to step up and help some of those who are having difficulties dealing with them.

Geez Paddy, you don't have to be so hostile.

I do agree with several of your points....

Listeners are the most important thing, and of course, the average person is not likely to be thinking about the work behind the scenes. But they should.

Also, I didn't mean to imply that this message board was only for people currently in radio... if it was, I wouldn't be posting either... I just think your comments are obscenely critical for someone who has zero understanding of what radio work is like.

I also agree 660 does have some amazing on-air talent (David Tait is always flawless), and some people that could use some work, and shouldn't be on-air.

But with every station I listen too (QR and CBC, iNews and CHED) I hear people I like, and people I don't. That's life. Deal with it.

I don't think any of the stations mentioned ever air "crap", or have "crap" people on air. I think it's also a wee bit immature for you to say they sound like jr. high students.

Also - as for "If you don't appreciate someone telling it like they see it, too damn bad." Very mature, i think my 6 year old daughter talks like that.

"Listeners are the most important thing, and of course, the average person is not likely to be thinking about the work behind the scenes. But they should."

I don't know how the assembly line works or how they cram the engine and all that stuff under the hood of my car, but when I go out in the morning to go to work, the damn thing better start is all I care about.


"But with every station I listen too (QR and CBC, iNews and CHED) I hear people I like, and people I don't. That's life. Deal with it."

I never said I didn't like the people...hell, I've never met them. There are very many who shouldn't be on the air, they aren't good enough. I switch the station when they come on. That's life. deal with it.

"Also - as for "If you don't appreciate someone telling it like they see it, too damn bad." Very mature, i think my 6 year old daughter talks like that."

You daughter is very astute for her age, you should pay more attention to her.


I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have nothing against 660 at all. I would be their number one listener if they did it right. I'm a news junkie and a radio junky. I listen to radio alot. It's on right now while I type this. The TV is off, as usual.

If 660 would stop cutting corners, they would be #1 in the segment, but with Jr high kids on air, they have no credibility with me. Judging by the ratings, I don't seem to be alone.

You have to put out quality if you want to be taken seriously in ANY business. Radio is no exception. That's life. Deal with it.

I think all some of us would like would you to be more objective, paddyboy. I'll say it again, your 660 bashing is legendary. Either you don't listen to CBC or QR, or you choose to ignore their many mistakes, okay not so many for CBC, but for example QR had the wrong name for Calgary's dead soldier last week for about an hour. Where's your "Jr. High" comment for them?

We might actually believe your continued protestations of "I'm not in the industry" or "I have no friends at QR" if you actually judged them as well. But your vitriol seems to be exclusively brewed for 660.

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Really, you don't find this insulting or belittling? It could have been worse, I agree, but it's a far cry from simply saying "Someone must have made a small error."  

Yup you're are right "TheWave" that was belittling, but that wasn't my initial comment actually. My initial comment was not and that second comment was written out of anger cause I felt attacked and I was on the defense! But beyond all this bashing back and forth I read a very excellent comment and I can't remember who posted it, but it has to do with stations hiring people with less experience! BINGO that HIT's THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!! I know personally of people getting hired straight outta school for gigs in Major Markets cause they are willing to work for dirt cheap wages.

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As for the talent-bashing...it's the same old song and dance around here.  It's the nature of the industry now...talent is being thrown to the wolves because you no longer need 15 years experience to get into major markets.  A person with one or two years can now be put into a prime time gig in a Calgary or Edmonton or Vancouver.  Is it because there's a plethora of people out there willing to work for fairly cheap?  Is there also an abundance of radio stations that need to be staffed...leading to a watering down of the talent.  How many small-market stations have "grizzled" five-year vets anymore?  Especially newsies.  These youngsters are being thrown into the "show" with little to no guidance and are expected to be flawless on-air?  Come on now.  If anything blame the news directors/PDs for not helping these guys and gals out.

Just my two cents

Found the comment...I think you are right Old reliable. And I think it may have to do with budgets. Why hire someone with 15years exp and spend 10-15 grand more when you can hire a Student outta school and save the Corporation some dough? Well I guess as the saying goes... "Ya get what ya pay for"

Quoted from 80sBoy

We might actually believe your continued protestations of "I'm not in the industry" or "I have no friends at QR" if you actually judged them as well. But your vitriol seems to be exclusively brewed for 660.

I listen to QR a fair bit, and as soon as Adler comes on I switch the station. Can't handle the guy. Other than that I have not been forced to switch stations on QR because they seem to have some decent on air people. CBC puts me to sleep.

Quoted from paddyboyy

I listen to QR a fair bit, and as soon as Adler comes on I switch the station. Can't handle the guy. Other than that I have not been forced to switch stations on QR because they seem to have some decent on air people. CBC puts me to sleep.
For the record, I'm in the road-building business...30 yrs, gravel, graders,tampers and asphalt. The radio is on in my F-250 all day. Mostly 1060 because it's the least annoying. Unless one of the crew is in the truck and then I just get groans. They hate country. I don't switch then.

This is the internet...don't care if I'm believed or not...but we aren't talking member size, so why lie

And that gas-guzzler of yours is obviuosly wired for the interweb too.

Let me guess, yours are the "perfect" roads I glide to and fro on each day....

I listen to QR a fair bit, and as soon as Adler comes on I switch the station. Can't handle the guy.

Geez, I think Adler is by far the best thing on QR these days. I know, I know, I know... he  IS well-read, well-spoken, has an amazing vocabulary and keeps his ums and ahs and ohs and stuttering brain-cramps to a bare minimum, unlike the obviously and easily affordable amateur crew of Rutherford, Blanchard and Breakenridge.

Sure, Adler is cocky, arrogant, even pompous, but at least he's entertaining AND informative, qualities sadly lacking for rhe rest of every day at QR.

At least CBC sounds, well, like CBC - stodgy and plodding at times, but not pandering to lovers of radio amateur hour.