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paddyboyy
June 13, 2008, 12:27pm Report to Moderator
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Not by Fire!,
but by Ice...

Is it Conspiracy Theory? Then to ease one's mind, maybe we should check out the facts, just to be sure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbu013JviE&fmt=18 (part 1 of 3)



http://www.iceagenow.com/


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fine tuning
June 13, 2008, 2:55pm Report to Moderator
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could the real problem with our extreme global weather patterns be caused by men who have always wanted to control the weather?

Look UP, to the Sky, the evidence is before your very eyes ...



For some reason, I can't get my mind or my eyes off the skies with all these Chem Trails I've been observing in our sky, infact yesterday over southern Vancouver Island, it was amazing, layer after layer in the northern sky.
I assure you, this is not my imagination... This is a picture of one of the aircraft used to pollute our skies. My question, What's in these Chem Trails, after all, it must all fall to earth. "Mold" is one the many chemicals in these Chem trails. I keep asking myself, Could this be one of the reasons my allergies are worse than ever?
There's lots of evidence of this activity going on in the skies of most major cities, yet no one seems to even give them a thought! I've come to the conclusion, people just don't look up in the sky anymore, try it sometime, or check out UTube!

What is the Official Word from the Government on these CHEM Trails? Better yet, What about you weather people, Wayne, Kristi, and yes, Mark. Perhaps we need to get a new and expanded lesson of what kind of clouds are in our skies? Are they reall clouds in our sky? if not why are they up there? Why are we not being told about this? It appears if anyone questions, their immediately labelled 'conspiracy theorist', well sorry, but I can't ignore what I see day in and day out in the sky above.
OK, please tell me psr folk, have any of you noticed these things?



Not sure what kind of clouds our weather folk call these?
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paddyboyy
June 13, 2008, 3:16pm Report to Moderator
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I don't believe man is close to having the power to change the earth's weather either on purpose or by accident.


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hrs
June 13, 2008, 3:20pm Report to Moderator
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Most weather folk try to sell them off as Con trails, but Con trails disappear after a few minutes. Chem trails on the other hand stick around for awhile. Conspiracy theory, damn right! only reason is because the government isn't telling us what they are poisoning us with and why.

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fine tuning
June 13, 2008, 6:08pm Report to Moderator
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              These are CHEM Trails, not Con Trails      



Thanks for the feedback.
It definately got me motivated to search further and I found the following report:



Chemtrails - Lab Report On
Air Grab Thru HEPA Filter
Bridget Conroy
ArizonaSkyWatch.com
6-8-8

This is the final Lab Report RE: air material analysis. This was a 28 day collection via HEPA filter, 8 hours per day collection. Please note the extremely high Aluminum reading 12,800,000 ppb.
  
The actual lab report is on the following link
  

http://www.rense.com/general82/chemm.htm



        

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/

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hrs
June 13, 2008, 6:14pm Report to Moderator
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I don't believe man is close to having the power to change the earth's weather either on purpose or by accident.


That would be HAARP, some people believe CHEM trails are part of HAARP.

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/
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SAM
June 14, 2008, 4:36am Report to Moderator
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These are all CHEM Trails, not one is a cloud!
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paddyboyy
June 14, 2008, 12:14pm Report to Moderator
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And the proof of that is?
The proof that  these "chem trails" contain anything?
Data?
Scientific evidence from someone qualified to give scientific evidence, like, oh, Al Gore for instance?

I could run that picture and say it was vapour trails from a UFO, or a 52 DeSoto.

Charts?
Core samples?
Anything?


I didn't think so.  


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hrs
June 14, 2008, 3:09pm Report to Moderator
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Al Gore is qualified to give scientific evidence? how? what degree's does Mr. Gore have?
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Swamp Water
June 14, 2008, 3:47pm Report to Moderator
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Nasa Tries to Confuse Contrails
With Chemtrails


John Rappoport

The latest “research” out of NASA states that CONTRAILS---condensations formed by water exhaust from jets---branch out into pervasive cirrus clouds that blanket the Earth and contribute greatly to global warming.

Hmm. I have read a number of accounts of contrails that claim these resultant formations do not last long at all. Only minutes.

Whereas, CHEMTRAILS, those sky patterns formed by the intentional release of various chemicals and, apparently, biological materials, do last a long time and do form cloud patterns that persist.

I have written about these latter formations before, and there are numerous photos all over the Internet that display them. Here in San Diego, I have seen such chemtrails, and I have seen them last for hours.

Is NASA taking a new tack in an effort to cover up chemtrails with bogus info about contrails?

And what ABOUT global warming? Is it a true phenomenon at all?

Michael Theroux is the head of an outfit called Borderland Sciences. Theroux is a better than good researcher. He called the false Y2K crisis on the nose months and months ahead of time. He has also written some compelling and valid rejections of the portrait of AIDS presented to us by the med research establishment.

Theroux also writes about global warming. Very simply, he lays out the two methods for measuring temperature used by the scientists. Yes, there are two methods.

The first "is to average out temperatures around the world as measured in white louvered boxes called Stevenson Screens, usually mounted one metre above ground...tens of thousands of thermometers world-wide."

"By far," Theroux writes, "the majority [of the Stevenson Screens] are located mostly in cities, and on land." This means that ocean temperatures are ignored, and cities give higher temps as time passes because of the Urban Heat Island Effect.

Towns and cities grow larger as the years pass and produce more heat.

The second method for measuring potential global warming involves the use of satellites to sweep Earth's lower atmosphere above both ocean and land.

Method one says the Earth is warming, and method two says no.

Method one, Theroux says, is an antiquated system.

The two methods of measuring warming are, mysteriously, never discussed or compared in the press.

But this we know. People with causes--even legit causes--will tend to latch on to data poorly collected and use them to bolster their position.

If global warming is really a sham, then all allied research, including NASA’s new study on contrails, is very suspect on that count alone.

For the moment, vis-à-vis the NASA study, I believe the most important point to be settled is this: do CONTRAILS, in fact, produce clouds that persist in the atmosphere for a long time? Everything I’ve read so far says no.

Whereas, numerous observers state that formations produced by CHEMTRAILS do last for a considerable period.

If you want to pursue the subject of chemtrails further, I recommend anything written by William Thomas, a Canadian journalist. Google his name. You’ll find numerous pages.

Thomas states that one of the chemical aerial programs was suggested by Edward Teller, father of the H-bomb. Teller advocated use of widespread seeding, in the atmosphere, with particles of aluminum compounds. They would reflect back the sun’s rays away from Earth and restrain the ongoing (supposed) global warming phenomenon.

Of course, down here on Earth, aluminum is a toxic substance when it enters the body.

It’s clear to me that the whole subject of chemtrails has been suppressed, to a remarkable degree, in the mainstream press. Even UFOs get far more coverage than chemtrails.




that's an A&W "Swamp Water" = 1/2 root beer/1/2 orange
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hrs
June 14, 2008, 5:00pm Report to Moderator
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This was a 28 day collection via HEPA filter, 8 hours per day collection.

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paddyboyy
June 15, 2008, 12:55am Report to Moderator
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Al Gore is qualified to give scientific evidence? how? what degree's does Mr. Gore have?


Al Gore isn't qualified to give a urine sample...hence the rolling eyes   in my original post.


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hrs
June 15, 2008, 3:24am Report to Moderator
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I didn't notice them sorry about that.
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Swamp Water
June 15, 2008, 6:26pm Report to Moderator
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CHEM Trails just didn't start overnight, Award-Winning Vancouver Island writer shares his story




Sept. 23, 1999 | by award-winning Canadian journalist William Thomas



TAKING A FLIER out of Victoria Airport

At 10,000 feet our chartered Cessna isn’t going to get much higher. Not legally anyway. And not without oxygen and a bigger engine. Squinting through the windscreen, I wince as our pilot informs baffled controllers and everyone else listening to this crowded frequency that our odd radar returns reflect “air sampling” activities. He estimates the lingering “contrail” we’re after is another 9,000 feet overhead.  

Damn! For the first weekend in too-long memory, the skies in and around the city of Victoria on Canada’s Pacific coast are not being saturated with the lingering spoor of big unmarked jets flying complex X and grid-patterns. Just two lingering white plumes beckoned ambiguously above the surrounding mountains as we took off.  

Crammed in the back seat between a lashed-down battery and a hulking pump big enough to suck outside air through a six-stage stainless steel sampling apparatus, I pass the intake hose forward to my companion who places the probe in the wingroot air vent. The best we can do is fly downwind and below the nearest suspect plume, hoping to pick up whatever organisms might be present. Of course, anything the hose picks up, we will breath.  

I start the pump. For 10 minutes cool outside air is driven through a stack of six petri dishes loaded with cultures hungry for Pseudomonas and lung-lunging molds. I have enough extra cell cultures for three more tests - and I make them all. But back on the ground after three hours aloft, my cohort and I agree that without being able to fly directly through the plumes, our quixotic quest was probably fruitless. “What we need for this to work,” I tell him, “is total saturation.”  

Still reflecting on the sudden lack of weekend spray activity, I drive home regretting our wasted effort. Around 7 PM, just outside of the town of Duncan, I start noticing “contrails” that do not dissipate like the brief white wake of a commercial jet flying high above them.  

Another five miles and I pull off the road to watch a widening grid woven by a pair of jets working back-and-forth directly overhead. The web they weave soon covers the entire sky, linking with natural cirrus clouds sweeping down from the northwest. I am stunned. Never before have I seen a chemtrail concentration as heavy as this! It is...total saturation!  

It’s probably coincidence. Except that I stopped believing in “coincidence” a long time ago. At such an unusually late hour for spreading chemtrails, this maximum spray effort could be a laughing mockery of our costly sampling flight. Has someone intercepted the emails and phone calls setting up our flight? If so, I’m flattered by all this attention.  


UPDATES


After a brief lull late last spring, spray activity has picked up considerably over the USA and Canada. Fresh reports are also coming in from England, Amsterdam, Australia, Italy, New Zealand and Mexico.  

Though climate-upsetting La Nina has been over for months, unusually cloudy, cool weather hijacked summer across the USA and western Canada  - only to turn unseasonably hot and dry in the northwest. In Aspen and Santa Fe - two locales famous for nearly year-round sunny skies - I finished a pair of back-to-back “Chemtrails Over America” speaking tours this summer under overcasts that had the long-time locals complaining. My 45 minutes of videotape and photographs taken across the USA and Canada silenced the skeptics - and prompted one former pilot for a national airline to jump to the microphone telling the Aspen audience that what she had just seen and heard were “definitely not contrails.”  

But what to make of the wonky weather that invariably follows intensive spraying - or the immediate reversion to more typical clear blue skies whenever spraying stops for several days?
  

Link Here for more:

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/Articles/chemtrails_over_america.htm

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