Okay here's a question. Name your class clown from high school. Was it a female? Nope? What a shock. I am sure a few were, but not many. These are the alpha types that make great morning hosts. It's just the way the world works. We want to be entertained. No much of a conspiracy really.
"Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population." - Albert Einstein
Apparently you were so busy 'thinking' you were the class clown and trying not to notice you were obviously being IGNORED by all the girls that you failed to notice the funnyness - looks like high school dorkdam still burns eh? Get over it, there are PLENTY of hilarious woman.
Radioguru overlooked that Ellen and Rosie are anomalies and both are homosexuals. Its too conicidential that they are both homosexuals so it could be that they have extra popularity from the homosexual population. It could also mean that their is something biological that has leads to their humour.
Very true facts from Ms. Thang at the Edmonton paper.
Her next article should focus on great male hosts who bust their ass in this business and the "ok" women who have positions just as good or better than them.
Not to take anything away from the ladies who actually do kick ass out there. I love it when I hear a lady on the radio that puts together breaks/shows that put most male hosts out there to shame. Sara P, Karen K, Danni Rohs, Jackie Rae all fall in that category.
Either way, Interesting article....it would have been better written by a man though....lol, Just kidding.
Either way, Interesting article....it would have been better written by a man though....lol, Just kidding.
that was pretty funny
The way it works in morning radio... whoever can be the best return on investment wins. If people wanted to hear fart jokes from a woman in the morning... a woman would be on in the morning telling fart jokes.
If a dog barking got better ratings than Bro Jake... sorry Bro, Rover is doing the Rock 101 morning show.
If "more Music hours" actually worked... you better believe Zed 95 would have it on their morning show. They don't, so it is Nat and Drew.
Not enough companies are willing to invest the time it takes to develop women as morning hosts. Schools teach women to be happy with what they get in broadcasting rather than what they can accomplish. Is there a woman in radio right now who has more drive than what a company has to offer or a school has to teach? No. Is there a woman in the biz that is willing to be a self promoting whore like Chris Sheetz? No. In order to be successful in this business, you have to tell people to listen to you. Doing it on the radio isn't enough. Talent comes naturally...refining it comes from people with experience and passion in a management position. There are too many bean counters and not enough teachers in management these days. I've seen women come and go over many years in radio who got fed up because of bonehead managers. There is nobody in radio that has the passion to make someone with star qualities become a star. Male or female.
Radioguru overlooked that Ellen and Rosie are anomalies and both are homosexuals. Its too conicidential that they are both homosexuals so it could be that they have extra popularity from the homosexual population. It could also mean that their is something biological that has leads to their humour.
Ellen and Rosie are overated...
whoa-... what? I haven't even finished reading this thread yet, cause I'm a little shocked at the... um... blatant sexism coming out of this thread..!
First of all- some of my favorite comedians are comediennes, for all you guys that think a chick can't be JUST as funny as a dude. Sally Field is effin hilarious, and not once does she have to fall back on "male bashing" or horrendously stereotypical jokes about her menstraul cycle... or whatever you guys seem to think makes up the majority of women's comic material.
I mean, have you guys been living under a rock, or have none of you heard of Sarah Silverman, Margaret Cho or Tina Fey? Tina Fey stole the show from Jimmy Fallon... Good god, Rosie O'Donnell's own counterpart on The View is fellow veteran comic Joy Behar, and Sarah Silverman's co-star in Greg the Bunny was the hilariously cute Diny Spybey. (PS- Did I mention that these comediennes are all STRAIGHT, to kill any homophobic context that was creeping in to the thread...)
Then, of course, there's the obvious...- Roseanne Barr, Lily Tomlin, Janeane Garofalo, Kathy Griffin, Rita Rudner and my personal favorite, Gilda Radner. To abandon the ridiculously small pool of strong stand-up comic talent for a moment, I feel I can't leave out such funny women as Julia Louis-Dreyfuss, Lucille Ball, Amy Poehler and Jane Curtin... just because I thinks those chicks are all so damn hilarious...
What I'm trying to get at here is that comedy ain't pretty, as Woody Allen so simply put it... DUH. For the exact same reasons as there are staggeringly few female producers or engineers, women aren't in any point in their lives encouraged, supported or directed to develop themselves in ways that are traditionally masculine, such as the usually comedic role of the morning/drive time "guy".
But I wonder- how in the world are women to blame for being "intimidated" by other successful women- when female managers are so often the ones recruiting and hiring these (supposedly intimidating) female professionals...
And quit bringing up myths as fact in this argument against hiring female hosts. Why do you think more women take more maternity time off than men? Because (a) unfair laws exist that allow employers (ooh, let's not name names!!) to restrict men to taking a maximum of THREE months paternity leave... and (b) mat/pat leave pays only 50% of your prior income, untaxed. Whoever makes less stays home, if you're living on two incomes, like the rest of us. Guess who usually makes less??? (PS- if you were to actually look it up, you'd see that if you don't count mat leave, women take far less sick days than their male counterparts. And I'd love to see the study that shows a higher ratio of women quit radio for good than men do...)
So... um... other than there simply aren't enough resumes from females appearing in your inbox... why the hell AREN'T you guys hiring more women for these slots?? Melissa Wright is funny enough- give her a drive slot! Joane Deere on from cisn was hilarious when she was allowed to be... of course, she got abandoned on overnights until she finally got on with the traffic chopper...
Man, you know what, forget it... just forget everything I said... After this long, with this level of Anglo-Saxon education that I know you all have, a person just can't argue with something like...
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my guess is there is more women in their earning 6 figure salaries than male counterparts. you know what I mean.....
Some women are funny enough, as you suggested,but they have ZERO motivation. A drive show is a craft, an art that has to be attended to every hour of the day. People who are "happy enough" to be doing mid days should NEVER get a drive show. Mid days and a weekly bar gig does not an artist make.
What a snarky comment! middays and weekly bar gig?...Melissa Wright funy? Artist?...what difference does it make?...she does a fantastic job - and would kick ass at drive... this is a very weird comment board - lot's of comments on people that have really no clue who or what they are talking about. Very mean spirited.
Tina Fey...yes, on occasion. But if you seriously consider Kathy Griffin or Sarah Silverman funny, well, you probably enjoy the humour of Dane Cook.
A matter of taste to be sure, but c'mon!
I've had the opportunity to work closely with a few ladies that have gone places (and continue to) in this industry. It comes down to one thing: passion and motivation. (Okay, two things). I've seen the gals that coast, and on the flipside the ones that bust their ass to get where they want to go. Sadly, they all seem make it to the "bigs" as there is less competition for those gigs, but you can definitely tell who the ones that are committed to working on and developing their craft. If not, I suggest you look at "Person"s post above for a few examples, that's just a short list of the ladies that do it right, there are more out there. Hopefully more waiting in the wings with just as much, or more, passion than the guys.
the only problem with this thread is that people take it far too personally.
Think you can do a better morning show than the other guy? do it.
It isn;t just men that are attention whores... there are lots of women out there that love to splash themselves in the media spot light. The way you brand and sell yourself is up to you. But no one owes you success. If you want to do it "your way" then be pepared to have mediocre success if the public doesn't grab on. But it is not "the man's" fault... it is the public.. they don't like you... they'd rather hear the new Avril Lavaigne sugar pop song or Morning Zoo guys.
There have been experiements with all woman teams... they have historically failed. Radio stations rarely experiment with music, promotions, branding, so why would they experiment with the next great radio show when Brother Laughs A Lot and the Circle Jerk hour will deliver a safe return on the time slot?
Its business folks.
as for the "you guys" are sexist BS... Watch it. It is no better than some of the posts on here from the Karma Kazis of the world. NOT "all the Guys" on PSR share the same values.
Tina Fey...yes, on occasion. But if you seriously consider Kathy Griffin or Sarah Silverman funny, well, you probably enjoy the humour of Dane Cook.
A matter of taste to be sure, but c'mon!
I've had the opportunity to work closely with a few ladies that have gone places (and continue to) in this industry. It comes down to one thing: passion and motivation. (Okay, two things). I've seen the gals that coast, and on the flipside the ones that bust their ass to get where they want to go. Sadly, they all seem make it to the "bigs" as there is less competition for those gigs, but you can definitely tell who the ones that are committed to working on and developing their craft. If not, I suggest you look at "Person"s post above for a few examples, that's just a short list of the ladies that do it right, there are more out there. Hopefully more waiting in the wings with just as much, or more, passion than the guys.
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