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onyourradio
September 17, 2010, 3:18am Report to Moderator
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As we know, The Bear in Edmonton has decided to push the envelope in what appears to be a ratings ploy. What are your thoughts? Do you think they went too far? Do you think it compromises the image of radio? Do you think this is the direction "mainstream" radio is headed? Or do you think it was brilliant?

Can we discuss this like civilized professionals? Probably not, but let's see how far we get.
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September 17, 2010, 3:28am Report to Moderator
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onyourradio
September 17, 2010, 3:41am Report to Moderator
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I have to preface this by saying I never heard it first hand, I only know what I've read.

A "sex tape" was released claiming to be security tape from Eden (a local strip joint). Paul Brown is clearly in the video and it implies he was blown and then had sex with a woman. Someone posted it somewhere (Facebook?) and then Yukon posted it again. Paul blasted Yukon on air - and Jill and Yukon screamed back at Paul that they are tired of covering for him while he screws a bunch of sluts behind his wife's back.

Paul and his wife are still married, but are separated, and Paul was saying that it's none of Yukons Business, but Yukon was saying Paul made it his business because he made him have to lie to Paul's wife Allison while Paul cheats.

They swore at each other, f-bombs were dropped on air.


Again, I didn't hear it first hand, that's just what I've read. Please correct me if I'm wrong in any of it.
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September 17, 2010, 5:24am Report to Moderator
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Quoted from onyourradio
I have to preface this by saying I never heard it first hand, I only know what I've read.
Someone posted it somewhere (Facebook?) .
The board op or producer? Ryan of this morning show, he posted the video here on psr last Friday morning, which I immediately removed then emailed him and questioned him why he would post such crap on our website.

Hey, I'm anything but a Prude, but I find this type of suggestive sexual behaviour distasteful, especially on a public forum such as PSR.

Just where do these people get off with using our public airwaves with this kind of obscene programing which reaches out to the local community at large for anyone to tune in.

Where have our morals Gone with regards to our local radio stations? That is my question and in order to make some sense or get some public input into this discussion, I believe this thread is the best way to approach the subject. I apologize for the original poster and his use of the f word, yet what would I now accomplish by editing or trying to cover it up.

Do we as broadcasters not have the responsibility to uphold moral standards?

Please share your thoughts

thank you




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sleddog
September 17, 2010, 5:25am Report to Moderator
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I'm curious why there was an earlier post on this topic removed.  The header was "The Paul Brown Show" and it was only up for about 30 minutes.  Clearly this is new territory rolling the Facebook/video aspect into a "bit" that while edgy has many listeners and FB'ers openly questioning the BS factor.  The days of staging stuff is over.  I think it was funny ...but real??  Still--we're  talking about it.
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sleddog
September 17, 2010, 5:31am Report to Moderator
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Hey Admin...didn't see you're last post on the fact that the "Paul Brown show"post was from board op or whatever.  Guess we all got fpunked.  
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DirkSteele
September 17, 2010, 6:25pm Report to Moderator
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I'm on the brilliant side.

That team is simply the best at this stuff and no one can say they don't earn their keep.

In an instant gratification PPM world....this gives you way more than "be caller 10 for $10,000" or "live in it to win it".

You can argue morals, but you can't argue that it speaks to the core audience.  Even if it is the evil ones.

As far as set up and planned, of course it was.  Wouldn't have worked if it wasn't.
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DaveTheCompGuy
September 17, 2010, 6:31pm Report to Moderator
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You can only decieve your audience so many times before you piss them off.  I think it's a big risk for not that much reward.
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ArtistformelyknowasOpenMike
September 17, 2010, 7:55pm Report to Moderator
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The attitudes towards sex and sexual activity as depicted or talked about on tv and radio is eons away from the days when they wouldn't even say the word "pregnant".
You don't have to hear the Bear clip to realize it's pure BS and a ratings ploy to generate buzz and maybe they have done that but what levels we have stooped to.
We are at a point now where a 16 year old girl can be gang raped at a rave in Vancouver and some of those present really don't think it's such a big deal.  Very sad.
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blabbermouth
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It was lame even by Paul Brown's standards. I agree with Dave the Comp Guy, you can only BS your listeners so many times. The whole wrestling thing last year was lame too but it got them on the news. Good for them. This on the other hand is one of the weakest things I've seen a radio station do. They clearly aren't funny, so be as shocking as you can. Being ashamed of the sexual nature of it? Naw.. Be ashamed of the sheer lameness. Lame. Lame. Lame.
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Ally Oop
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Lame is right.  It's why I asked (on the removed thread) what are the 5 biggest cities in Canada doing right now?  Edmonton's not one of them, so really, um, well, who cares? What's worse is, we're discussing it less than 2 weeks after a 'rock' station in Red Deer had a situation with an "F" bomb dropped on air.  Someone ended up losing a gig, or leaving a gig, whatever. Think about it.
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blabbermouth
September 17, 2010, 8:51pm Report to Moderator
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Didn't hear about the F bomb. What was the deal with that? Not that I want to see this compelling thread hijacked by another topic. ;)
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ArtistformelyknowasOpenMike
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By the way, I sure hope that Paul is making huge dollars at The Bear.  Even though this whole "blown by a stripper" thing is pure BS would you really want some people, those who aren't too smart and believe everything they see and hear, to think that this is the sort of person that you are?  Very bizarre but then again I suppose some people will stop at nothing to get attention and maybe even ratings.  What's on tap for next ratings period, footage of the morning team running from a crime scene with fake blood on their clothes?
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Ruth
September 18, 2010, 12:08am Report to Moderator
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.  Even if it is the evil ones.
I don't believe thats a fair comment to tarnish all the Bears listeners as 'evil ones', sure there are people who willingly partake in different sexual activity. I don't think that's the issue here... If the Bear morning man enjoys that type of activity on his own time, then go for it.... I just don't want to watch it... but the problem is when the video was first posted, although you suspect what is going on quickly, it's difficult to take your eyes off. it's like coming upon an road accident, the rubber neckers are all out in force... problem with this little venture, it could have side effects in stimulating the viewer when lest expected.... and that is where the issue has crossed the line...

who are the evil ones? not the listeners, but those partakers in the show and those incharge of running the very radio station who have subjected the audience to such outragious behaviour.

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Deakon50
September 18, 2010, 12:48am Report to Moderator
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I think a line must be drawn. And it has nothing to do with f-bombs, sex tapes, or feuds on air. It's about reality vs. fantasy.  When a listener realizes you've taken them for a ride and you make up drama, it brings us all down. People can sense fake.

There's enough fake in our medium with the army of consultants telling us our breaks can only be 30 seconds here and 60 seconds there. That we have to rotate this song this many times and play this ID not that ID at this time. The last sanctuary of organic, personality driven radio is in the mornings. Welcome to a nail in the coffin.
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Leather Tuscadaro
September 18, 2010, 3:40am Report to Moderator
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I think it plays to their audience. They'll buy it. It's like wrestling, they'll buy it over and over and over and over. Bear listeners need something to spark their imagination while they're pulling nine hour shifts at the bottle depot.
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Deak said...
There's enough fake in our medium with the army of consultants telling us our breaks can only be 30 seconds here and 60 seconds there. That we have to rotate this song this many times and play this ID not that ID at this time. The last sanctuary of organic, personality driven radio is in the mornings. Welcome to a nail in the coffin.

Amen!  

Oh the plus side for my pals at the Bear...this bit, like the MMA bit, has generated a lot of talk!  And some say TALK, whether it be good or bad...is great!  
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Marc Stevenson
September 18, 2010, 2:36pm Report to Moderator
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Yup.  Bottom line is, whether you agree with it or not, think it's real or fake, they accomplished what they wanted...you are all talking about it.
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ArtistformelyknowasOpenMike
September 18, 2010, 2:54pm Report to Moderator
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Yes we are talking about it Marc because "THAT" is the topic of the thread.  And YES it is fake.  Anyone who believes any of this is real is quite frankly right out to lunch.
Generating "talk" among those who believe this stuff but at what cost?  Just being the devils advocate here, sort of appropriate considering the topic, but is it advantagious in the long run to let people know, advertisers etc. that a member of your staff has such low morals that he cheats on his wife and goes as far as getting a blowjob by a stripper inside a strip club.  I assume it was inside the club where the fake bj tape was made.  Anyway is this what you want to present to the public, these are the kind of people we have working with us?

Actually just heard the clip on youtube, it's like "theatre of the no minds".  I must say the Yukon guy is all fired up and has sort of a DeNiro thing going on, Paul himself needs more classes.
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DaveTheCompGuy
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Yes, we're all talking about it.  But really - did it generate listeners?  And did that help the rate book?

I didn't listen to the Bear before because it's not what I want to hear.  This just confirms it in my mind.  Anyone else who wants to, sure, go ahead.

You have to wonder what the advertisers think though - do they want to be associated with this?  Some do, I'm sure.  And some don't.  Can you afford to alienate anyone in this market?
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Deakon50
September 18, 2010, 6:23pm Report to Moderator
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Yes, we are all talking about it: my point is I think that's a good thing short term. But long term, your listeners lose faith in your station, and my station and the rest of radio. I'm saying its a bad thing overall for the medium. Short term gain and long term lame. (look I made a rhyme!)
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KD
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Very good point Dave comp guy....who needs to alienate clients in this day and age?

And also with regards to it being staged or not....if its fake and staged it points to the desperation of the program ( and the station) of appealing to the lowest common denominator in its (mostly) fringe audience. If its real, then the participants have more issues to deal with than a morning radio program will allow. Teenage tendencies, a failing marriage, and dis-pleasure by cast members in dealing with their leader's sordid lifestyle.

Are local DJ's really so self-absorbed that they think they can compete with WWE, ET, and the real world for that matter? They really only exist in their defined segment; in this case one of the smaller markets, in a country which (trys) to protect itself against outside pop-culture influence and as a result doesn't really rate in terms of being a cultural leader.  Canada has a really small population too.

Copying the technique of 'creating controversy' to win attention is a knee-jerk reaction which illustrates the ability of the team members. And they will always lose the race; The National demonstrated that this week when on thursday nite, their lead story was of a 16 year old's gang rape, being publicly spread by the way of the wonderful technology known as FaceBook. Nothing The Bear can, or will do, can top that story in terms of controversy.

It was a 'bit'; where it rests probably in the long run, is here in this thread. Anything over and above that will probably have to do with the participants directly and where their careers end up going. It might not be at the same place as where they are at right now; I think this signals the desparation with which radio stations in Edmonton are willing to grasp at the extremely diluted financial rewards they are contemplating.
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onyourradio
September 19, 2010, 1:38am Report to Moderator
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I don't like it. In my opinion (as mentioned already), I think it's a desperate attempt to gain listenership and I think it will hurt them in the end. But I mean, I'm not a radio expert.

What's the point of pulling a stunt like this? What were their objectives? They're potentially facing fines from the CRTC. They could potentially lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue. Not to mention listeners who might leave once they realize it was a stunt.

If I were to switch places with Paul Brown, I would never do it. I would never risk my reputation that way. I would NEVER want to have to explain it to people for the rest of my life.

Can't wait to see the fall out from this.
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blabbermouth
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If this was real, which is obviously isn't, would the strip club not be facing charges of operating a common bawdy house? I'm surprised they would let their name be associated with such BS.
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steve
September 20, 2010, 4:26pm Report to Moderator
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I think it's great radio!  Well done and very creative!
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Dangles
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It's about as creative as an episode of "The Hills".  Both shows trying to be real, but coming off as fake, pretentious and desperately seeking attention.
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Garner Andrews wins again. So happy to see him with big numbers when this is what the competition is pulling. It speaks highly of the people of Edmonton that they don't want this as their #1 rock station.

At the end of the day I hope Paul does clean himself up, his wife deserves better.
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Leather Tuscadaro
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I think this time it might work for them, but next time it won't. I may agree with the above comment in that "real" entertainment beats out contrived entertainment. Think Seinfeld vs. WWF. but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Ruth
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is this putting the dots together or what?

this type of irresponsible broadcasting promoting Adultery and outragious sexual practices all being displayed and promoted on our radio waves

We are what we watch, being indoctrinated into the world of perversion by the likes of this guy name Paul who appears to be a porno freak, all compliments of Edmonton's BEAR

Where are the Moral standards or is that a thing of the past?
It's No wonder this type of Sexual attacks continue across our land, all because these acts seem to be coming acceptable nowadays.

What in the world has happened to us?
http://www.pugetsoundradio.com/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1285024161/
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sleddog
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Just so we're clear ( Ruth) this forum has never been a soapbox about anybodys  standard's for personal morality issues.  Please  don't comment if you want to turn this into an editorial on media's contribution to the corruption of society.  There are plenty of websites that would love to hear from you.  Lets never forget that in  the 60's the Rolling Stones were banned from singing the word's "Let's spend the night together" on Ed's show.  And that was just the tip of the iceberg.  Now back to our regular programming....
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DarkKnight
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I find it interesting that this has so many people up in arms.

Everyone is always b****ing about how there is no creativity, no "personalities", and how it's not like it used to be. Of course the response to that will be "there are other ways to be creative." For you, maybe.

Well, this is certainly creative and it fits with what the PBS has been known to do in the past. Shows like The Hills, Jersey Shore and the rest of the pseudo reality shows are pop culture hits. Sex tapes are all over the media outlets and websites we surf everyday for prep. I'm willing to wager that half the people on here that are so emphatically opposed to this stunt, have done at least one bit, report or joke about a celebrity sex tape at some point.

I'm not saying I would do this stunt or even agree with it, but I'd wager that most of the people who bash it, are not even in the same league as Paul Brown. I'm not.

It's not worth getting outraged over. If it works, he'll be hailed as a genius. If it doesn't, he'll live to pull another one.

One last thing, who's to say his wife isn't on board and finds this hilarious? She did marry him in the first place...
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DaveTheCompGuy
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Quoted from DarkKnight

Well, this is certainly creative and it fits with what the PBS has been known to do in the past. Shows like The Hills, Jersey Shore and the rest of the pseudo reality shows are pop culture hits. Sex tapes are all over the media outlets and websites we surf everyday for prep. I'm willing to wager that half the people on here that are so emphatically opposed to this stunt, have done at least one bit, report or joke about a celebrity sex tape at some point.

I'm not saying I would do this stunt or even agree with it, but I'd wager that most of the people who bash it, are not even in the same league as Paul Brown. I'm not.


I'm not either, I'm just a listener.  And I'm not bashing it, just trying to see it clearly for what it is - a stunt.

And as you said, it's all over the media, radio and TV.  So what makes that creative?  Sounds to me like it's more copycat than copyrightable.

Seems to me if you want to build a lasting following, you don't decieve your listeners.  Talk with them, not at them.  Get to know who they are and what they want.  I'll bet none of them said "fool me into thinking you're in a sex tape".  Between these guys and the K-97 crew, it seems they're trying to prove who's more immature.  Guess I'm just too old for this now...


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There's no middle ground with Paul Brown's on-air persona. You either love it or despise it. From the guy's lazy sounding delivery to all the shock value bits and stunts he does, he's a polarizing personality. He pulled a shock jock stunt and got attention. Move on.
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I'm not either, I'm just a listener.  And I'm not bashing it, just trying to see it clearly for what it is - a stunt.

And as you said, it's all over the media, radio and TV.  So what makes that creative?  Sounds to me like it's more copycat than copyrightable.

Seems to me if you want to build a lasting following, you don't decieve your listeners.  Talk with them, not at them.  Get to know who they are and what they want.  I'll bet none of them said "fool me into thinking you're in a sex tape".  Between these guys and the K-97 crew, it seems they're trying to prove who's more immature.  Guess I'm just too old for this now...




I certainly don't think you are too old.....you are likely too smart.  Stunts like this pander to the lowest common denominator, and the ones doing them are selling their soul for short term gain.

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Ally Oop
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Short Term gain is right. Particularly in this country.  It's getting close in the U.S. too, even though most, if not all, of these stunts are direct ripoffs or spins of U.S. executions. We're in Canada, and Edmonton's getting this much attention? Guess I'll surf to find out what the 5 Big Markets are doing.
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I think it's great radio!  Well done and very creative!


Going for the easy laugh is not creative!  F Bombs are not creative.

I wonder if radio stations are going to have Parental Guidance warnings on Morning Radio? They do it on TV, why not radio?
IMO...Morning radio is turning into "farting contests".
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Couldn't agree more, Headphone Hair!
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If you see the bit as just a bunch of F-bombs, then I think you've missed the point. The bit didn't appear to be about swearing or trying to be crude. It came off as being original and something different from the normal day-to-day radio. It was entertaining to the listeners. That's the bottom line.

The majority of regular listeners don't care if a bit is staged. They just want entertainment... just like they'll get from a scripted sitcom, drama or "reality" show on TV.

The Bear's facebook page exploded after it aired. It got people talking and that's really all you can ask for.
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The majority of regular listeners don't care if a bit is staged. They just want entertainment... just like they'll get from a scripted sitcom, drama or "reality" show on TV.


I would tend to disagree with you on that...I don't think ANYONE likes being "had" which is exactly what happened here.  And if you go back and look at the posts on The Bear's Facebook page, they basically fell into 3 categories:

1) People who thought it was real and were p*ssed off at Paul for being a cheater & a dog
2) People who thought it was real and were p*ssed off at Yukon for posting the video
3) People who thought it was fake and were p*ssed off at the station for stooping this low and pulling a stunt like this

Did it help them to gain listeners?  Not likely.  I guess it will all sort itself out when the numbers come out.

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